Sullivan's was a department store from my old hometown of Liberty, New York. It was a normal department store, such as it was. Yet, for a town like Liberty, which being deep in the heart of the Catskills, is actually quite far from the greater New York City metropolitan area. Monticello is a comparably large town, and within a ten minute drive. After that, it takes maybe twenty minutes to get to a decent sized city, which would be Middletown. Going the other way, it is more or less remote mountain area, driving through the deep greenery of the Catskills, which is limited in development.
So, for such a relatively isolated region, a department store can be quite important. Sullivan's, thus, became kind of a local icon.
It started as more or less an Surplus store, back in the 1950's. But it must have enjoyed some success, because it expanded, to become an impressive sized department store. In fact, it was apparently so successful, that they decided to build a second one in Middletown. This one was larger, and in the Orange Plaza Mall.
Some day, I might like to learn a bit more about it, and write more extensively and in a more informed, less sketchy manner about the actual history of the store.
However, I had long been looking for an exterior photo of the Liberty store, and only recently came across one. It is from an advertisement, and it shows what I always took to be more or less the front of the store, as it could be seen when getting off the nearby Route 17 (soon to be Interstate 86) on Exit 100, and more or less in the shadow of the more famous "Borscht Belt" hotel, Grossinger's.
When my brother and I were kids, we were both interested in obtaining a decent music collection via cassette tapes, which seemed to be the leading technology of the day. Together, we had almost the entire collection of Beatles and Rolling Stones albums. Not all of them came from Sullivan's, but I suspect a good deal of them did. Also, I associate one clearance rack album from Journey, in particular, from Sullivan's in Liberty.
So, here is another blog entry dedicated to Sullivan's. This one has more of an emphasis on Liberty, because having lived in Liberty, and having had some family there, it is this store that I was most familiar with, and which we visited most frequently. I remember going to the one in Middletown, probably around 1985 or 1986. I remember Michael Jackson came on, and the radio dj's were talking about how phenomenally popular he had been not too long before. I got myself a bit prize: the Galvatron figure, the character who replaced Megatron as the Decepticon leader.
Much later on, I would start to shop at Sullivan's in Liberty, obtaining Gobots from the clearance racks, and a Terry Bradshaw book. This book I remember, because I still have it, with the Sullivan's price tag still stuck on there.
Here I mention the specifics, because it helps me to recall the store, and evoke the pleasant memories of it that I still have. In fairness, I have spoken to some former employee's, and the reviews were more or less mixed, with some saying it was a good place to work (especially the one in Middletown, as many have fond memories of the cafeteria there), while others say that it was not a pleasant place to work.
No way for me to be sure how I would have viewed it, because I never worked there. Was not living in Liberty at any point past the eighties, although I thought about it briefly. But the store closed by the early to mid-nineties, and any opportunity, if you want to call it that, was lost.
In any case, here are some pictures to remember Liberty by:
Here is my former blog entry about Sullivan's, which was titled "Oh, Yeah! Sullivan’s Got It All! Sullivan's Commercial From the 1980's" and was published on July 26, 2020:
When my family moved here from France, we initially spent a year living in Liberty, New York, where my grandparents lived. Even after we moved out, and to Lodi, New Jersey, and eventually to West Milford, we still visited Liberty fairly regularly.
And when you grow up in a town like that, you will usually have some fond memories of something or other. So it was with Liberty and the surrounding area, which has an interesting mixture of pleasant, even beautiful things, mixed with depressing things. It is stunning countryside and natural beauty, but the region is upstate New York, which is infamous for having very depressing towns.
Be that as it may, most of my memories from childhood of Liberty were pleasant. It sometimes felt a little bit like it was stuck in the past, as there were everywhere reminders of bygone days and ages. The whole town kind of felt like that, truth be told. If Liberty and the surrounding region in Sullivan County had something that could pass as glory days, than it has been in the decades before my childhood, when there had been the so-called “Borscht Belt” and when there were famous entertainers who regularly performed at these hotels. Some famous boxers also trained in the region, including Muhammad Ali (and later Mike Tyson). And, of course, the most legendary three-day concert event in rock history, Woodstock, happened in Sullivan County, maybe twenty minutes of so drive from Liberty.
However, by the time I was growing up in the eighties, and growing familiar, all of that was well behind the region. It was all in the past, and there were already clear indications that the region was beginning to fall on hard times. It would be a long and painful fall from grace, with one formerly prestigious “Borscht Belt” hotels after another closing it’s doors, and with more and more boarded up shops lining the downtown areas of towns in the region like weeds impossible to root out.
Yet, I was largely blissfully aware of all of this. Liberty seemed to be a pleasant town, with an abundance of greenery and lakes and such, as it was blessed with an obvious natural beauty. Even when we moved out, I always enjoyed return trips to Liberty for weekends or sometimes for a week or two during summer vacation. My brother and I had our own rooms, and my grandparents also had cable (mostly due to the lack of good reception locally). All of that made trips there often quite the treat, on top of visiting the family, and a place where we had some mostly pleasant memories from earlier in childhood.
One of the things that reminds me of those early days and pleasant memories was a store that long ago also closed it’s doors. It was called Sullivan’s, after the county name, even though there was a second one in Middletown, which is in Orange County. In retrospect, it may not have been a great store, as I recall it tended to be a bit pricey. Yet, it was one of the few big stores in Liberty (Middletown had numerous malls, and thus plenty of big stores), so it was hardly a place with stiff competition to keep prices low.
I liked Sullivan’s. I liked the fact that it was a store that people near me, in New Jersey, had never even heard of, but which I knew and shopped at occasionally. I remember my brother and I getting cassette tapes there (Journey albums always seemed to be on the discount racks). Later, I associated Sullivan’s with toys, particularly Transformers and Gobots, specifically. Near the end of the days when Sullivan’s was closing, they still had some leftover Gobots, by this time with clearance prices, as they were years outdated. I also got a book by Terry Bradshaw, the quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers, which I had hung onto, and which still actually has the Sullivan’s price tag on it.
At the time, I did not know that Sullivan’s was soon to close it’s doors. Had I known, I think I might have tried to do some things a little bit differently. Maybe I would have bought some small things, mostly as memories (although I am glad to have that Bradshaw book, which reminds me more of Sullivan’s than of Bradshaw himself, admittedly). What I wished for a long time, though, is that I had taken pictures of the actual store in Liberty itself, and gotten a recording of the commercial that I used to hear on the radio, for whatever station my grandparents were listening to when it came on. There are some pictures online of the Middletown store, and I was pleased to see them, and took pictures of the pictures. But I never did get pictures of the Liberty store, and wish that I had.
However, there is one thing that I recently ran into, which kind of helps with other memories of the store. I ran into the commercial, and the song that Sullivan’s used to play in their advertisements. It had likely been over three decades since I had actually last heard that tune, and it brought back memories. Surely, it will bring back some memories to family members who will read this, and presumably watch the video, with that little jingle.
So it felt appropriate to share some pictures, many of which I had shared before, as well as the video of the Sullivan’s commercial. I was very glad to have run into this, and am also happy to be able to share it here. The video is nothing special, just the Sullivan's store logo. But it is the song, the entire song, which I am not entirely sure that I had heard before. And the last verse, I believe, was the one that the commercials kept repeating. The video is available down below.
I happened to run into that video clip maybe a couple of weekends ago, or so. It had literally been probably at least three decades since the last time that I had heard it. Instantly, I felt transported back to a different time and place. Perhaps Liberty, but the tune in those commercials was something I must have heard repeatedly on the local radio stations that my grandparents, particularly my grandmother, used to listen to, also over and over. And Sullivan's itself was kind of a local institution.
There is a link to an article that I found also, which argues that Sullivan's was more than just a store. Maybe it was. To be sure, it was a store, of course. But it seemed that in the places where I ran into memories of it, such as the original video of the Sullivan's commercial, and on the Orange Plaza appreciation page on Facebook (the other Sullivan's store that existed, the one that was not in Liberty, was in Middletown's Orange Plaza Mall, until that closed it's doors in 1992), it did indeed seem to spark some strong memories for many people.
So it seems that maybe Sullivan's was indeed more than a store. It seems to have been memories, as well. For me and many others. For me, perhaps the strongest memory was not even being in the store, but just outside of it. No idea any longer how old I was at the time, but we had just driven there, and my grandfather got out of the car, and then pulled the seat so that I could get out. Pretty sure it was summertime, but it might not have been. There are other memories, as well. Looking at cassette tapes, particularly for the Beatles and/or the Stones. And toys, which I continued to collect as a teenager. As mentioned earlier, in the early nineties, it seemed that Sullivan's may have been the last store to still have Gobots, on the clearance racks, and so I obtained some back then.
Many other people seem to have memories of the place, as well. On the Orange Plaza page mentioned earlier, I read quite a few comments from people who used to work there, and many others who frequented the place. They talked about the restaurant inside, which I barely remember. Apparently, it was good. On the other hand, it seemed that working at Sullivan's was not such a pleasant experience, at least for some. Not sure why, because most of the people who said that just left it at that. I myself used to work at a department store that is now defunct - Steinbach. It was for minimum wage, and most of it consisted of trying to look busy, folding clothes and sorting through the display tables. Perhaps picking up garments that people had thrown carelessly aside. Putting up signs for an upcoming sale. Often standing around at the cash register when the place was empty. So, I can kind of imagine what working at Sullivan's might have been like, and why some were less than thrilled by the experience of it.
Still, given the significance of the memories that this store conjures up for people to this day, it seemed appropriate to me to dedicate a blog page to those memories. So, I am including numerous pictures, including the logo, some bags, and the Terry Bradshaw book that I obtained, and which still had the price sticker on it with the Sullivan's logo. Also, some pictures that can be found on the web of the store in Middletown. If you have memories of the place that you remember fondly, then maybe this triggers some of those pleasant memories. Enjoy!
Sullivan's Was More Than a Store by Barry Lewis for The Times Herald-Record, January 25, 2001 (updated December 15, 2010):
The Sullivan's store at Orange Plaza Mall in Middletown, New York
At Jamesway, we care about you!
I happened to run into that video clip maybe a couple of weekends ago, or so. It had literally been probably at least three decades since the last time that I had heard it. Instantly, I felt transported back to a different time and place. Perhaps Liberty, but the tune in those commercials was something I must have heard repeatedly on the local radio stations that my grandparents, particularly my grandmother, used to listen to, also over and over. And Sullivan's itself was kind of a local institution.
There is a link to an article that I found also, which argues that Sullivan's was more than just a store. Maybe it was. To be sure, it was a store, of course. But it seemed that in the places where I ran into memories of it, such as the original video of the Sullivan's commercial, and on the Orange Plaza appreciation page on Facebook (the other Sullivan's store that existed, the one that was not in Liberty, was in Middletown's Orange Plaza Mall, until that closed it's doors in 1992), it did indeed seem to spark some strong memories for many people.
So it seems that maybe Sullivan's was indeed more than a store. It seems to have been memories, as well. For me and many others. For me, perhaps the strongest memory was not even being in the store, but just outside of it. No idea any longer how old I was at the time, but we had just driven there, and my grandfather got out of the car, and then pulled the seat so that I could get out. Pretty sure it was summertime, but it might not have been. There are other memories, as well. Looking at cassette tapes, particularly for the Beatles and/or the Stones. And toys, which I continued to collect as a teenager. As mentioned earlier, in the early nineties, it seemed that Sullivan's may have been the last store to still have Gobots, on the clearance racks, and so I obtained some back then.
Many other people seem to have memories of the place, as well. On the Orange Plaza page mentioned earlier, I read quite a few comments from people who used to work there, and many others who frequented the place. They talked about the restaurant inside, which I barely remember. Apparently, it was good. On the other hand, it seemed that working at Sullivan's was not such a pleasant experience, at least for some. Not sure why, because most of the people who said that just left it at that. I myself used to work at a department store that is now defunct - Steinbach. It was for minimum wage, and most of it consisted of trying to look busy, folding clothes and sorting through the display tables. Perhaps picking up garments that people had thrown carelessly aside. Putting up signs for an upcoming sale. Often standing around at the cash register when the place was empty. So, I can kind of imagine what working at Sullivan's might have been like, and why some were less than thrilled by the experience of it.
Still, given the significance of the memories that this store conjures up for people to this day, it seemed appropriate to me to dedicate a blog page to those memories. So, I am including numerous pictures, including the logo, some bags, and the Terry Bradshaw book that I obtained, and which still had the price sticker on it with the Sullivan's logo. Also, some pictures that can be found on the web of the store in Middletown. If you have memories of the place that you remember fondly, then maybe this triggers some of those pleasant memories. Enjoy!
Sullivan's Was More Than a Store by Barry Lewis for The Times Herald-Record, January 25, 2001 (updated December 15, 2010):
The Sullivan's store at Orange Plaza Mall in Middletown, New York
Sullivan's even sold their own brand name shirts.
Original newspaper add showing the Grand Opening of the then new Sullivan's Department Store in Liberty, New York. Image taken from Catskill Mountain news., November 21, 1958, Page 9, Image 9:
From that same page was the closest thing that I could find to an actual picture of the Sullivan's Department Store in Liberty, New York. This is an artist's rendering of it, and it kind of looked like the building as I remember it, with some relatively minor differences. I remember it being a bit taller than this in the back, where the people couple with the child are walking away from, and towards the main entrance. There was the name of the store, simply "SULLIVAN'S" in big, red letters on the top of it, as well. And at least by the time that I got familiar with the store, I think that they had changed the name of "Sullivan's Surplus Sales" to "Sullivan's Department Store," or "Sullivan's" for short. It seemed worth including the image, so here it is:
Sullivan's store name is, of course, a reference to the fact that the store (in Liberty, the original of the two stores) was located in Sullivan County, New York:
At Jamesway, we care about you!
There seems to be a dearth of photographs showing the interior of Sullivan's. We undoubtedly would have taken some back in the eighties or perhaps early nineties, if we'd had any inkling that its days were numbered, and that it would become the object of so much wistful nostalgia.
ReplyDeleteChecking out that Grand Opening flyer. $1.77 for men's chino trousers... can you imagine?
ReplyDeleteIt makes me smile that they hyped the "three acres of free parking". Like people were going to say, "Wait... am I to understand that there are more than two or three parking spots available, and that there's no charge for using them? Surely that can't be?"
I think that large parking lots were a new thing back then. This was probably the early fifties, which was just about the time that large malls were about to make their first appearance. Author Bryce Courtenay, in his book "The Life and Time of the Thunderbolt Kid," a nostalgic book about life in America in the fifties and maybe early sixties, talked quite a bit about that. He said that people had never seen so much paved surface before, and they used to make a point of driving around almost without bothering to worry about lines or other cars, resulting in an apparent spike in car accidents at the time. He also mentioned that the idea of malls, where you could do all of your shopping all at once, in one place and indoors, took off, and one perhaps unintended consequence leading to other unintended consequences was that downtown business districts in Main Street America went under. Along with it, he argues, was our social graces, and learning to cope with one another, the art of dealing with neighbors and town folk that you did not particularly like. This was the beginning of not meeting or knowing your neighbors, quite literally. If anything, the decline in our social graces has accelerated, as the internet has now replaced not just malls, but many other aspects of what used to pass as some kind of social meeting ground. Indeed these days, we seem to isolate ourselves into communities of like-minded people within the internet, never having to "deal with" literal neighbors and such, who do not share our interests and views. Frankly, I think that he made a very good point. As far as the interior of Sullivan's is concerned, yeah, I noticed the same thing. One person that I interacted with from Liberty about the store said that there was some sort of large painting, maybe by the escalators, and asked if I remembered that. Admittedly, I do not, but was going to ask you, since you often have a better memory for such things. Do you remember a large painting inside of Sullivan's?
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ReplyDeleteYeah, I guess you're right – back in those days, large parking lots were something of a novelty, much the way people without any travel plans apparently used to go to airports just to watch planes take off and land. I'm also reminded of a short documentary from the mid-seventies about the Gare Montparnasse, in which things like automatic doors and escalators are presented as if they were space age marvels.
ReplyDeleteAs for malls and incivility, I admittedly have mixed feelings about that. Like you, I'm not a fan of malls, and feel that there's WAY too much emphasis in this country on the incessant pursuit of acquiring as much crap as you possibly can. Also like you, I miss being able to go to a bookstore or record store (there are still some out there, but much fewer, obviously), and even all of those movie rental places which died out 20 to 25 years ago. That being said, considering all of the shitty experiences I've had with neighbors over the years, my dream (if money were no object) would be to have a place far enough from my nearest neighbors that we have absolutely nothing to do with one another, or even know one another's names or what we look like.
Vaguely related, have you ever checked out Meetup.com? Its raison d'être is basically to "use the Internet to get off of the Internet". There are all sorts of groups on that site which meet in real life (this year not being the best example, obviously) to partake in a shared interest. It can be books, practicing a foreign language, sports, films, hiking, discussions about virtually anything under the sun, boardgames, you name it. These groups can be hit or miss, depending on how many people turn up, your compatibility or lack thereof with the other members, etc. But I've had some enjoyable experiences as a result of that.
P.S. I forgot to answer your question regarding the large painting. No, that's not ringing a bell for me either.
ReplyDeleteLiberty is a low budget life area and nothing as far as department stores can survive All they can do right now is clean up Main Street of drugs etc and bring life back to the area
ReplyDeleteHi! There will be a historical exhibit about Sullivan's at the Liberty Museum next month. We would like to invite you to attend and perhaps loan some memorabilia to display.
ReplyDeleteWhen will it be? I don't live in Liberty anymore, and it's a bit of a drive. But if I can, I would love to see that exhibit and perhaps help out in any way that I can.
DeleteHello, An exhibit, "Sullivans; From Sullivan Surplus to a much beloved Department Store" is opening at the Liberty Museum next Saturday, August 13 only for 3 week run, which I am helping to put together.. see libertymuseum.com.
ReplyDeleteI appreciate your information and your appreciation of Sullivans. The mention of 'Sullivans' is just about the one thing that unites residents of a certain age, no matter their background into such a ready Smile.
Would any of the items in the images be available for loan to the exhibit or for donation to the museum or For Sale.
Such a great addition to the exhibit!, which is also a reunion. I would gladly pay freight if items can be shipped.
Please and Thank you,
Myron Gittell 845 428-3111; 845 794-3772 myrongit@yahoo.com
Oh, wow! That actually sounds like something that I would be really interested in seeing. Only three weeks? I'm about to go on vacation, getting back on the 4th. That sounds like about the time that it would end, unfortunately. I'll see if I can get there. By the way, most of the pictures on here are not of any of my personal belongings. Just found them on the web after doing some research. I do have three old items that still have Sullivan's price stickers on them. One book - the Terry Bradshaw book that I posted a picture of, as well as an unopened Dune toy (I was a kid back then) with a sticker. Also, at my mom's place, I have an old Gobots box with a Sullivan's price sticker. No idea where the Brashaw book is at the moment, but I do have the Dune box. Also, I have some of the old Sullivan's shopping bags, although again, not really sure where those are at present. I will try to contact you to see what, if anything, can be done.
DeleteHi! I sure hope you can find the time to visit on a Fri or Sat. We have collected fun items & advertisements. There are even pristine Sullivan's bags which are currently lovingly used by a local retailer. Former shoppers & employees enjoyed reminiscing together at the reception last Sat.
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Hi! I apologize for having missed your quick response to my note about the Sullivan's reunion, beginning this coming weekend in Liberty, NY (8/12) at the Liberty Musem, formerly the original Sabloff's & later Katz Bakery. The curator, Myron Gittell has also written here and provided all of his contact info. We'd be DELIGHTED for your participation!
ReplyDeleteHi. My mother's first cousins owned Sullivan's. Sidney and Irving Shapiro. I don't know how they opened the first store, but they were already interested in retail sales. Their mother raised them in Liberty, where their grandparents had a hotel-then-bungalow colony with a rooming house, Replansky's Resort... The hotel burned down in the early 1920s or it might have become the kosher Concord...Irving hosted me to a lunch at the store once when I visited Liberty in the early 1980s. When we came on family visits in the 1960s, 70s, we rarely went shopping there, just maybe a couple of times; we were focused on visiting. I think the motivation for the store in Monticello was so that the brothers could work separately. Why they closed, I can't say, but sales must have gotten weak enough, and they were tired enough to want to retire. Sidney's real interest was always in his paintings. I would really love to see what was in the exhibit about the store. I don't know what happened to the ownership after closing. Replansky's has turned into some kind of cooperative colony.
ReplyDeleteHi Saul, That's fascinating! My guess is that Sullivan's went under for the same reason that so many other store began to go under in the nineties, when massive superstores and mega malls began to really take away from sales of more limited variety department stores like Sullivan's, although I could be wrong. Jamesway went under shortly thereafter, soon to be replaced by Ames, which itself went under just a few short years later.
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